April 22, 2025

65- "I am 1 in 3 times 3"--George Muzzy

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George's story begins with a childhood shaped by three different abusive men. From physical beatings by his foster father for minor childish behaviors to learning at age nine that the man he'd called "dad" wasn't his biological father, his early years were marked by confusion and pain.

When his stepfather entered the picture, the abuse escalated. One particularly cruel moment led to George's decision to bury his emotions completely—a survival mechanism that would last nearly four decades.

What makes George's testimony so remarkable is what happened after he finally shared his story publicly. After 40 years of emotional numbness—so complete he couldn't cry even when his beloved grandfather passed away—his feelings began to resurface.  "I don't remember these feelings," he explains, describing the strange experience of navigating emotions that feel brand new at age 54.

George's journey reminds us that healing doesn't follow a timeline. Sometimes our greatest breakthroughs come decades after trauma, when we find the courage to break our silence. His story offers hope that no matter how long we've carried our burdens, it's never too late to begin the work of reclaiming our full emotional lives.

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Cover art by Laura Swift Dahlke
Music by Tim Crowe

00:48 - Introduction to George's Story

02:39 - Childhood and First Abuser

09:51 - Meeting Biological Father

15:53 - Stepfather and Escalating Abuse

25:13 - Standing Up and Walking Away

36:06 - Failed CPS Intervention

41:40 - Burying Feelings for 40 Years

45:32 - Confrontation and Closure

52:59 - Healing Through Sharing

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Hi Warriors, Welcome to One in Three.

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I'm your host, Ingrid.

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As many of you know, One in Three includes not just women, but also men and children.

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Today's guest is bravely stepping forward to share his story, a story involving abuse by three separate individuals, but this isn't just a story of trauma.

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It's a story of resilience and of healing.

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Nearly 40 years later, and that is a beautiful thing here is George.

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Hey, george, thank you so much for joining me today.

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You're welcome.

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I'm glad to be here.

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I'm very happy for you to be here and just a quick catch up to those who may not know.

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George and I met because I had guested on a podcast that he's a co-host for and, as we were talking about things, he agreed to come on one and three to share his story one and three to share his story.

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All right, sounds good, okay.

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So before I actually start my original plan, as I dealt with what had happened to me, I had originally planned that my story was going to die with me and nobody.

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I wasn't going to tell anyone.

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And then I ended up telling some of my family my wife and kids and whatnot and then I joined this little chat group and got really close with them.

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I knew them all before but we hadn't really kept in touch for a while and I kind of told them and then I ended up telling them on our podcast and then I ended up telling it on our podcast.

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So I thought it was a good idea to maybe expand and have others that maybe listen to other shows hear the story.

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So my story starts.

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My grandparents had six children and my grandmother was a stay at home mom and my grandfather worked a lot of hours to pay for these to, you know, to pay the bills and everything.

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And the third oldest daughter, when she was 15, got pregnant and right after she was 16, I was born the first grandchild to my grandparents, and he had originally planned, as the kids were getting a little older and going to be moving out, drop down, but he continued to do two of the three jobs that he did the one full time and then as one part-time at the hospital, um to help support because they had agreed she was going to stay and go to school.

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She was single at the time and I was born with my grandparent with her maiden name.

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By the time I was a year old, she had gotten married and they went through the court process and I was adopted.

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Still, I still lived in my grandparents' house and my mom and her new husband sometimes were there.

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Sometimes they had an apartment until I was about five and I don't remember anything happening prior to that.

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But after we had moved, after I was done with kindergarten and I just turned six years old, we moved to a different place, to a different place, um, and I remember every time like he was, he got drunk a lot Like, like that was the first thing he thought of when he got home from work.

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My there's be my foster father and um, and I remember he would, he would spank me, and I don't mean like a couple of times, I mean like every time he did.

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I couldn't sit for a little while.

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Um, bad, um, and I remember it was all.

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I don't remember a lot of details, but I remember that it was for stuff that six and seven year old kids do, nothing really bad where like one quick spanking could have completely taken care of it, or even maybe just a talking to.

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After I turned seven, we moved into a bigger house, but we were waiting on the guy that we were buying.

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We were going to buy this bigger house.

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They actually had a house and a trailer on the property in town.

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It wasn't ready yet.

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He needed to do some things to it, so we moved into another house that he had that was big enough for everyone.

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At that time all the kids had moved out except for my mother and my foster father, so it was really just five of us living at the house.

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One time I do remember that he hit me for was I remember we were out in the country at this house.

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Out in back there was like a gully and at the bottom of the gully there was a creek and they would.

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He showed me the things.

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He would have minnow traps set up in the creek to catch minnows to use for live bait for fishing.

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And one night he came home and when him and my mom came home I'm assuming from the bar, I don't know they she would always ask me you know what'd you do today?

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You know how was your day?

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And I said, well, you know, school was okay and I came home and I played in the backyard for a while.

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I went down to the creek and, you know, played by the water.

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The next day I came home and he was, and they.

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He took me to my room and he kept.

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He was screaming at me and kept asking me why I opened the minnow traps, why I let all the minnow out, and I was like I kept telling them that I had not done it and I proceeded that day to get pretty severe beating.

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And then later I remember laying in bed, not sleeping and hearing him and my mother talk, and he said I was thinking about it and I think I left the minnow trap open.

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Yesterday when I, when I emptied them.

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I never got an apology.

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I never heard anything more about it.

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I just that's what I remember about.

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Six months after living in that house, we moved to our larger house.

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Now, the good thing about that house was the front house was big and they lived.

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My mother and foster father lived there.

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I lived out back of the house in a trailer.

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It was a rather large trailer but it was just the three of us.

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So within probably a year, apparently his anger was not taken out on me because I didn't live there, was taken out on my mother.

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So she kicked him out and he was gone.

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So I'm like okay, the abuse is gone and I didn't.

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I want to make it clear that I didn't.

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I don't attach the fact that he was an alcoholic to the abuse, because my grandfather at that time he drank, and one of them and my uncle, he drank, and I never saw them angry while they were drinking.

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Ever I've seen them angry, but usually it's just something that happened in life or whatever, but nothing.

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They never took it out on anyone else.

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And then, probably around between the time I was eight and nine, is when my foster father was gone that summer, right after I turned nine years old, cause I my birthday is in June, so I I like literally like my birthday is right before the end of the school year I decided you know what, he's gone, I'm going to spend more time during the summer at mom's house.

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Now at the house, the upstairs.

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Um was made into like two different apartments.

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There was two apartments upstairs.

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That that's kind of a key for a little bit later.

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So I was staying there and this was right after probably the first I think it was the first weekend after school had let out.

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Um, my mom didn't have a bedroom set up for me yet, she was in the process of doing it.

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But she said I have a pullout couch and she said we can set that up at least for the first weekend and you know, for the first, for the first weekend or so, and then we can go and get everything we need, cause I still wanted to keep my room and my grandparents and um.

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I remember she said I'm not going to be, I'm going out tonight with some friends and um, but we live, we live right in town.

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So she was just going uptown.

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She said just, uh, lock the door when, after dark, you know, after you come in the house and everything, and just lock the door and I'll have my key.

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I remember early in the morning, like two or three in the morning, I was awakened by stumbling and a couple of people laughing and she fumbled with the keys and got into the house and they came in to the room, to the living room, where I was sleeping Well, I wasn't sleeping anymore, but where I was in bed and they turned on the light and she was with this guy that this man, and I didn't know who he was.

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They came and sat on the bed and laughing and joking and I could you could definitely tell they were both, they'd both been drinking a lot, but they were you know, they were talking with me and everything, and probably after about two hours my mother said okay, um, I think I should introduce you properly to this guy that's here with me.

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She goes, that guy that you knew, as your father is not your father, this is your father, this is your natural born father.

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I'm like, okay, nothing, I don't, nothing much happened.

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I mean, he, he stayed for a day or two and then he was gone and I and mom mom and him explained that he had to work.

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He had to go to where he worked cause he didn't live in that town.

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He lived about 20 minutes away or so and I was like, okay, um, I remember after about two weeks, after my foster father came and knocked on the door, I was in the front of the house and my mom was in her room and I looked out the window and I went back and I naturally told, because it was still setting into me, was still setting into me, it was still setting into my mind that he's not my father, this other guy's my father.

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So I went back and naturally I said, hey, mom, dad's here she goes.

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Well, you can let him in.

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I'm like, okay, my whole walk from her bedroom to the front door.

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I'm thinking I thought they weren't getting along and I thought she kicked him out.

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Why am I letting him in?

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And they had a heated discussion, I don't know.

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Remember what it was about.

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Nothing, nothing physical, nothing happened.

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And he was there about 20, 25 minutes and then he left.

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Well, the following weekend my father shows up and at some point my mother told him the story of what had happened.

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And that was my first experience with verbal abuse from my father.

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He just degraded me and said how can you get us confused?

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And I'm nine years old, so I have no, you know, I'm like I don't know, I don't know, I just for nine years he was my father.

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You've been my father for a week or two.

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So that was my explanation Then.

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That that calmed down.

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I do remember some good times with both fathers, but at this point it took a while.

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Now my friends start coming around.

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It's summertime and Eric, who was on the show he's, that's where I met him was when I lived in this town.

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In that town, um, they all, they would come over and everything, and he would be there sometimes.

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And and I say he was there sometimes I feel almost like now, looking back, it's almost like we had visitation rights with him, like like, um, you have stepchildren and they maybe they come over every couple of weekends and then they're not there, for you know, they're not there for two weeks and then you see, and then they come over for the weekend, and that's what it seemed like.

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We wouldn't see him for a week or so and then we'd see him for three or four days and then we wouldn't see him again and then he'd come back and we'd see him for three or four days.

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So after my friends had hung out with us and come over and whatnot, when they weren't around, he would always belittle them and say that because he knew their parents, they were bad kids, they were just, you know, out to make trouble and I constantly got berated about who my friends were and the things that maybe that we did.

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Now he never physically touched me.

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A lot of verbal abuse.

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One thing that I should note about my father is that he had a lot of girlfriends and I have a lot of half-brothers and sisters.

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So during the early times I don't know how long it was after my father started coming around my mother and him announced that she was pregnant, and so about nine months after my actually nine months to the day after my birthday which is telling me that they were hanging out before I met him, my only true sibling both parents, both with the same parents was born and not.

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And sometime after that, before, not long after that, he was gone.

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My real father was gone.

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Never really an explanation or anything, he was just gone.

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At some point during that time, when my father was still around, a couple had moved in to one of the apartments upstairs.

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They had three kids.

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I ended up.

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I got to know the kids a little, you know, and one was their oldest, was about a year and a half younger than me.

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Well then, suddenly the father of these three children was hanging out with us a lot.

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Not with his kids, not with his wife none of them were with him but he was hanging out with us a lot not with his kids, not with his wife, with none of them were with him but he was hanging out at our place, he was hanging out with us.

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He even took us a couple of times to the dirt track racing, um.

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And I was like, okay, I didn't.

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I'm I'm about 10 years old, so I still don't know what's going on.

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I'm not old enough to understand what's happening here.

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Then one day came home from school and all of his stuff was in the house.

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I'm like, all right, and she said the only explanation I got for that was he.

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Him and his wife got into a fight.

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They're separating.

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He needed a place to stay and we have a big.

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Our area of the house is the whole downstairs.

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We have plenty of room.

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I'm like, okay, then why?

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And I'm thinking, why is some of his stuff in your bedroom?

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So I'm like, okay, not sure how much longer later, but they were definitely a couple talking.

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And my mother got pregnant again and by the time I'm 11, my sister is born, and they're definitely a couple at this point, and there are definitely a couple at this point, and my mother worked night shift at a nursing home as, just like a I don't know a CNA I'm not sure if that's what they're called or not, but she was also going to nursing school.

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So I would see her, probably at least Monday through Friday.

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I would probably see her for a couple hours a day at best At some point during that time.

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My stepfather they weren't I don't know if they were, even I'm not sure if they were married yet, because they were both had to have their divorces finalized before they actually got married.

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So I don't remember if it started before or after they got married, but once in a while he would spank me, but not quite as bad as my foster father, but worse than what I'd seen, like my uncle, like if my cousin did something, he would like smack him, like one time on the butt and that's it.

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This was a little bit more severe, but not quite as severe as my foster father.

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And then at some point, um, during before I was I I believe it was after I was 11, but before I was 12, he started touching me sexually and it got.

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I mean, at first it was little things and later it got way more severe, way more often, and about a little after I was 12, we moved to a farmhouse.

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Now I should also tell you that his demeanor kind of pushed some of my mother's family away and I would see them, but not as often as I would see them before, including my grandparents, who at the time lived right out back.

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So then we moved to a farmhouse, but my grandparents didn't go with us.

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So it was just me, my mom and my two brothers and sisters and his three kids who are now living with us.

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But they would go almost every weekend to their parents' house, to their mother's house, but with my mom still going to school, there was still plenty of time for him to touch me and do things.

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By the time I was starting to go through puberty he had a couple of medical issues like his.

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He had a, he had a back injury, so he was getting like full disability.

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But he was doing, he would work for a few farmers on the side under the table, um, um, a lot.

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And what?

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When I got a little older?

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Um, me and my mom and the kids were their other kids were just going up to meet them and, uh, we ended up helping and they saw that you know well, he's a pretty good worker.

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And, um, so my stepfather decided he was going to make me work.

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Now, my stepfather could make so much money with the disability, so I think he was like paying half to him on the books and half under the table.

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But he said, instead of me paying, the farmer said, instead of me paying the taxes for the kids to work, I will give you the money and then you give it to them and that'll just be, they're working for you and all that.

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Well, first of all, never saw any of that at all.

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But during that time, as I'm going through puberty, I started he didn't realize what kind of what he was doing.

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He was kind of setting himself up for failure because as I was working and working hard and he was basically sitting on the tractor cause he couldn't do a lot of the physical stuff, I was getting like built up without me going to a gym or nothing, just doing the hard farm work, without me going to a gym or nothing, just doing the hard farm work.

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And it continued.

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And you know the abuse continued both ways, no-transcript.

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After I had started doing all this farm work and getting getting toned and everything, it wasn't hurting as much because I was building muscle and and I kept, I, I kept doing the work and kept, you know, the all the abuse continued until and I couldn't go anywhere.

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I couldn't do anything because I'm not old enough.

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And then, as I got a little older, I learned there was ways I could get out of the abuse.

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Not necessarily every time, but I was able to avoid it a little, but it still happened.

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A little while after I had turned 16, now I'm technically old enough to where I could leave, but I waited.

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As I got a little closer to 16, I started.

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I knew a guy who knew, who knew judo.

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He taught it would stay after school and he would show me.

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He would just teach me a few things.

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And I'm five foot six.

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Judo is kind of a martial arts that's made designed for a smaller person because it's mostly defense and leverage.

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Now I'm a little after.

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I'm a little older than I just turned 16.

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It's during that summer after I turned 16.

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I got home a lot later than I just turned 16.

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It's during that summer after I turned 16, I got home a lot later than I was supposed to.

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Actually, I think it was actually the school year after I turned 16.

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Yeah, cause I stayed after school for something and I was.

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I got back much later.

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He started with that.

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Somebody else had to do our trip, had to do my chores, and I'm like, started with that.

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Somebody else had to do my chores.

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And I'm like, yes, but I do their chores.

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Every time they're not here, they have another house to go to.

00:23:30.272 --> 00:23:37.183
I always do their stuff when they're not around, because no one else in this house does it.

00:23:37.183 --> 00:23:41.792
You can't expect the two little ones to do this because they're five and six.

00:23:42.079 --> 00:23:45.009
So then he started talking about a couple of my friends.

00:23:45.009 --> 00:23:51.332
And just happens to be when we moved to the farmhouse is actually when I met my what?

00:23:51.332 --> 00:23:52.213
My current wife.

00:23:52.213 --> 00:24:05.946
She was one of our neighbors and he started talking and at the time we were just friends and he started talking bad about her and I was like don't you talk about my friends like that?

00:24:05.946 --> 00:24:12.760
And he came at me and I knew in my mind I have to let him hit me first.

00:24:12.760 --> 00:24:14.624
I can't, I can't be the.

00:24:14.624 --> 00:24:23.064
I can't hit first, because if I hit first, then because I'm 16, he can have me arrested or something.

00:24:23.464 --> 00:24:36.608
So he came at me and I stayed sitting right on the couch and he smacked me on the top of the head and when he did, I came up with an uppercut to his to his chin, knocked him down and we started fighting in the living room.

00:24:36.608 --> 00:24:39.885
My mother broke it up and I went.

00:24:39.885 --> 00:24:43.413
He said if you're going to act like that, you can get out.

00:24:43.413 --> 00:24:44.021
I went.

00:24:44.021 --> 00:24:45.647
I said that's fine by me.

00:24:45.647 --> 00:24:59.594
I went to my room and I got just enough stuff that I needed and, unbeknownst to any of them, I had put a lock on my door.

00:24:59.594 --> 00:25:05.703
So when I left I locked my door so they couldn't get into my room and take my stuff before I came back to get everything else.

00:25:05.984 --> 00:25:14.971
As I was leaving, he started yelling at me and screaming at me that I was leaving, and I said well, you told me to leave and now I am.

00:25:14.971 --> 00:25:18.183
And then he came at me again and again.

00:25:18.183 --> 00:25:26.666
I did not use judo at all, I wanted a brawl, I wanted this, this is it.

00:25:26.666 --> 00:25:28.587
And we swung at each other.

00:25:28.587 --> 00:25:43.106
I hit him a few times and then, when he fell to the ground, I took his head and slammed it into my mother's washing machine, grabbed my stuff and walked out the door and that was it.

00:25:43.106 --> 00:25:48.451
That was when I had decided to make a stand.

00:25:48.451 --> 00:25:57.961
But I don't know, I could have left months before, but I think I wanted to take out the aggression I had been feeling my entire life.

00:25:57.961 --> 00:26:07.976
Um, there is one part that I wanted to go back and touch on before we moved to the farmhouse.

00:26:07.976 --> 00:26:11.346
Somebody, I don't know who actually I do know.

00:26:11.426 --> 00:26:24.105
Now, later on in life, my aunt told me that she had done it, she had seen something and she had called CPS and they had come in and they were allowed to talk to me alone.

00:26:24.105 --> 00:26:30.207
And I said to her I asked her because I was concerned, because I'd heard it many times.

00:26:30.207 --> 00:26:42.083
I'd heard it many times before I was like um, what happens if, today, you think something's going on, if, when you interview me, you think something's going on?

00:26:42.083 --> 00:26:43.586
What happens today?

00:26:43.586 --> 00:26:45.922
She said, well, nothing, I would have to.

00:26:45.922 --> 00:26:56.527
And it's like four or five o'clock in the afternoon she said I would have to go back, fill out a report and file it tomorrow and then an investigation would happen.

00:26:56.527 --> 00:26:59.990
I was like, so what would happen to me short term?

00:26:59.990 --> 00:27:02.349
She said, well, you would stay here until the investigation was done.

00:27:02.349 --> 00:27:02.731
And I'm like okay.

00:27:02.731 --> 00:27:04.159
So said, well, you would stay here until the investigation was done.

00:27:04.159 --> 00:27:05.020
And I'm like okay.

00:27:05.020 --> 00:27:10.512
So I'm like I'm not telling her anything, I'm going to act like everything is fine.

00:27:10.512 --> 00:27:15.554
I've been acting like everything's fine for so long, I believe.

00:27:15.775 --> 00:27:17.318
Now the laws have changed.

00:27:17.318 --> 00:27:20.584
Where now, if they believe there's abuse?

00:27:20.584 --> 00:27:28.373
But I mean, we're talking, talking, this was probably 1982, 81.

00:27:28.373 --> 00:27:35.490
So, yeah, I was like I'm not, I can't, I don't know what he'll do if he finds out that I said something.

00:27:35.490 --> 00:27:37.501
And how old were you when that happened?

00:27:37.501 --> 00:27:39.707
Um, well, I know, I know.

00:27:39.707 --> 00:27:48.259
When we moved out of that house and into the farmhouse, I was 12, so it was sometime before that, because we were still living in that house.

00:27:48.259 --> 00:27:54.711
I remember, I remember it clear as day we were sitting in the kitchen of the dining room of that house.

00:27:54.711 --> 00:27:56.326
So I do remember that.

00:27:56.326 --> 00:27:57.965
So it was before I was 12.

00:27:57.965 --> 00:28:03.414
So and I would have turned 12 in 83, 1983.

00:28:03.414 --> 00:28:06.769
So it had to have been early 83 or before that.

00:28:07.460 --> 00:28:16.528
But still, my gosh, you're coming in, you're questioning an 11-year-old and then saying, as we investigate, you're going to stay in the same house as your abuser.

00:28:16.528 --> 00:28:18.053
Yeah, that's crazy.

00:28:18.353 --> 00:28:23.742
Yeah, and, like I said, I believe the laws have changed now If they believe there's abuse, they take them right then.

00:28:23.742 --> 00:28:27.186
I said I believe the laws have changed now If they believe there's abuse, they take them right then.

00:28:27.186 --> 00:28:30.612
Actually, I know that because our youngest son it was neglect, it wasn't abuse.

00:28:30.612 --> 00:28:33.796
At the time they didn't know if it was abuse, they just knew it was neglect.

00:28:33.796 --> 00:28:41.223
I knew they were taken out of the house that day and it was a Saturday or a Sunday.

00:28:41.223 --> 00:28:47.775
So yeah, I know they were removed from the house right away when they lived with their parents.

00:28:49.363 --> 00:28:52.599
But your aunt never said anything to you or asked you about anything.

00:28:52.640 --> 00:28:56.230
No, no, she never said anything to me.

00:28:56.230 --> 00:29:05.191
She later told me that she had called because I don't know.

00:29:05.191 --> 00:29:12.567
I didn't like I said I didn't have a lot of alone time with a lot of my mother's family.

00:29:12.567 --> 00:29:16.594
Um, after he had, they had seen how he was.

00:29:16.594 --> 00:29:21.193
I mean they could tell he was an angry guy and he would get mad about things.

00:29:21.193 --> 00:29:22.618
Um, they didn't.

00:29:22.618 --> 00:29:28.450
I don't know if any of them knew about the abuse other than my aunt had seen something and she didn't know what it was.

00:29:28.450 --> 00:29:29.231
I don't know.

00:29:29.231 --> 00:29:39.913
She didn't tell me exactly what she saw, but she said that she had seen something and I know for a short time they lived in one of the apartments.

00:29:39.913 --> 00:29:44.390
So maybe she just saw something or heard something and wasn't sure what it was and just didn't really get a chance to talk to me.

00:29:44.390 --> 00:29:49.671
So maybe she just saw something or heard something and wasn't sure what it was and just didn't really get a chance to talk to me, so she just reported it.

00:29:51.094 --> 00:29:57.992
Well, that's a big deal that she did that, because I think back then a lot of people didn't say anything, right right.

00:29:58.340 --> 00:30:06.286
Right, I mean I knew somebody had said something, I just didn't know who, because otherwise I knew somebody had said something, I just didn't know who.

00:30:06.286 --> 00:30:07.730
Um, because otherwise why would they have been there?

00:30:07.730 --> 00:30:08.451
Um, they don't normally do that.

00:30:08.451 --> 00:30:08.913
I mean, we weren't.

00:30:08.913 --> 00:30:11.820
We weren't on any assistance or anything.

00:30:11.820 --> 00:30:18.646
Um, he was on disability, but that's not the same, that that's different.

00:30:18.646 --> 00:30:19.708
Um, um.

00:30:21.509 --> 00:30:43.732
So during that time when he was abusing me, I remember one point I was crying during during the event, and he had said something to me and he said I want you to know that every time, for the rest of your life, that you cry, you will think of me.

00:30:43.732 --> 00:30:52.820
And some point right after that was when I had made the mental decision I am going to bury all of those feelings.

00:30:52.820 --> 00:30:54.988
I'm going to bury my feelings and hide them.

00:30:54.988 --> 00:30:57.153
So it was easy.

00:30:57.153 --> 00:31:02.002
If I didn't have any feelings, it wasn't a bad thing, it wasn't going to hurt me.

00:31:02.002 --> 00:31:04.306
It wasn't a bad thing, it wasn't going to hurt me.

00:31:04.306 --> 00:31:08.430
Um, I didn't know who I could trust and who.

00:31:08.430 --> 00:31:13.455
If I told so, I literally at some points thought the world was against me.

00:31:13.455 --> 00:31:34.368
I'm like this has happened with three different guys and I, just like I said, I just learned to turn them off Um another once I had moved out and was on my own.

00:31:34.368 --> 00:31:34.971
Um, I was living with a.

00:31:34.971 --> 00:31:37.476
A friend's parents had a, I think years ago.

00:31:37.476 --> 00:31:43.327
It was um, like a farmhouse, and they had like, uh, for the workers.

00:31:43.327 --> 00:31:52.471
They had, uh, a little cabin for the workers to live, you know, to stay in when they were working, and then they could go back home wherever that may be.

00:31:52.471 --> 00:32:04.760
Um, we fixed it up as an apartment and me and their son, my friend, lived in it for a while and then eventually I moved back in with my grandparents.

00:32:04.760 --> 00:32:10.273
They had the extra room to help me save money and whatnot.

00:32:10.775 --> 00:32:20.590
One big thing I noticed in my life was I had a major commitment issue.

00:32:20.590 --> 00:32:27.882
I didn't trust anybody If I was dating someone and they even suggested anything long-term.

00:32:27.882 --> 00:32:36.523
My mind immediately said, okay, time to look for an escape clause, some way to get out, and I did that for a long time.

00:32:36.523 --> 00:32:52.253
Matter of fact, the first real commitment thing I did had nothing to do with a relationship, but was when I decided I'm going to join the military after high school and I'm like well, I know, that's that on that.

00:32:52.253 --> 00:32:54.685
Technically, they, they have you for eight years.

00:32:54.685 --> 00:32:57.752
You may only have a two year, which is what I had.

00:32:57.752 --> 00:32:59.263
I had a two year commitment.

00:32:59.263 --> 00:33:08.972
I ended up re-enlisting and I did four years, but for four years after that you're technically they can call you back for something if something happens.

00:33:08.972 --> 00:33:17.993
That was my only real commitment I made before I went off to the military.

00:33:17.993 --> 00:33:22.511
I went off to the military and when I finished my tour I came back.

00:33:23.083 --> 00:33:34.509
I came home on leave several times and then um, and I kept in touch with some of my friends and some of them would have eventually distance Um, the when I came home.

00:33:34.509 --> 00:33:41.144
Um, I came home in July and the following June me and my wife had gotten married.

00:33:41.144 --> 00:33:47.326
We had decided you know, we've been with other people, you know, I mean, we've been friends all this time.

00:33:47.326 --> 00:33:51.505
So we ended up getting married and had our two daughters.

00:33:51.505 --> 00:33:54.777
And then at some point my daughters were still young.

00:33:54.777 --> 00:33:56.181
I remember they were still young.

00:33:56.520 --> 00:34:12.788
I'd heard that my well, actually, before that, before happened, my father, my biological father, was living in Missouri and I had heard that he was up.

00:34:12.788 --> 00:34:16.132
I had no intentions of going to see him or nothing.

00:34:16.132 --> 00:34:17.175
He was staying at.

00:34:17.175 --> 00:34:22.128
He was really close friends when he lived in our area with my wife's uncle.

00:34:22.128 --> 00:34:23.771
They were really close friends.

00:34:23.771 --> 00:34:25.153
He was staying with him.

00:34:25.153 --> 00:34:27.181
I had no intention of going to see him.

00:34:27.181 --> 00:34:31.188
My brother wanted to meet his father.

00:34:31.188 --> 00:34:34.114
I said, okay, I can take you.

00:34:35.539 --> 00:34:38.704
Um, I remember my, my oldest daughter was nine months old.

00:34:38.704 --> 00:34:42.989
Um, and then, uh.

00:34:42.989 --> 00:34:55.880
So I took him and met him and apparently he was there and he had six kids with him from the age ranging from the youngest was three and the oldest had just turned 17.

00:34:55.880 --> 00:35:17.047
They were my half brothers and sisters and, kind of a sidebar thing, I found out I knew one of the kids I went to school with was my brother, but I didn't realize until I was a little older, when I was talking to his mother, that he is three days older than me.

00:35:17.047 --> 00:35:18.769
Um, it's weird.

00:35:18.769 --> 00:35:22.704
He was one of the very first people I met in kindergarten.

00:35:22.704 --> 00:35:24.128
We were in the same class.

00:35:24.128 --> 00:35:32.693
He was one of the first kids I ever met in school and turns out we were brothers three days apart.

00:35:32.853 --> 00:35:34.360
When did you find that out?

00:35:35.382 --> 00:35:35.682
It was a.

00:35:35.682 --> 00:35:38.045
I want to say I was like 25.

00:35:38.045 --> 00:35:58.219
My wife's cousin had just graduated from high school and we were at a graduation party and she was there and we just got talking and she said, yeah, my son and she said his name just celebrated his 25th birthday.

00:35:58.219 --> 00:36:01.885
And I was like I just celebrated my 25th birthday, when was he born?

00:36:01.885 --> 00:36:03.746
And she said June 12th.

00:36:03.746 --> 00:36:06.329
And I'm like I was born on June 15th.

00:36:06.329 --> 00:36:09.067
Are you sure he celebrated the 25th?

00:36:09.067 --> 00:36:11.032
And she goes 1971.

00:36:11.032 --> 00:36:13.849
And I'm like yeah, it was 1971 too.

00:36:13.849 --> 00:36:18.927
So I'm like, okay, my goodness, yeah, yeah, that's how my father was.

00:36:19.440 --> 00:36:24.346
So, turns out, those kids he was those kids he was with when he come up.

00:36:24.346 --> 00:36:32.615
He was running from the law for abuse on some of them kids.

00:36:32.615 --> 00:36:53.273
They left um, were dropped off somewhere about 30 or 40 miles away from where we live and they were hiding somewhere miles away from where we live and they were hiding somewhere and a police officer drove by and saw something, saw one of the kids out in back of this barn and went out to check it out and found them.

00:36:53.273 --> 00:36:56.530
They extradited him back to Missouri.

00:36:56.530 --> 00:37:15.951
He spent like three years in jail for the abuse and they were fostered out and the kids that now the youngest three weren't the youngest four that he had brought with him were not fostered out because their mother was the one who reported the abuse she got.

00:37:15.951 --> 00:37:20.846
She took her kids and she moved back to our area where her parents lived.

00:37:20.846 --> 00:37:28.423
So she brought those four plus the other two that she had, the ones that were not his, no, that were not hers.

00:37:28.423 --> 00:37:31.248
All got fostered out.

00:37:31.248 --> 00:37:41.371
And, yeah, that was my only times ever meeting my father was when I knew him for about the year that I knew him.

00:37:41.371 --> 00:37:49.891
And then that one time well, we went up there probably three times while he was there during that week or so that he was up running from the law.

00:37:53.081 --> 00:37:57.211
So then I know both of my daughters were born at this point.

00:37:57.211 --> 00:38:03.423
I had heard that my stepfather was really sick and he was on his deathbed.

00:38:03.423 --> 00:38:21.943
I went to the hospital and walked into the room and I asked my stepsister and all them if I could have a minute with him and I closed the door.

00:38:21.943 --> 00:38:25.322
And they closed the door when they left I walked over to him.

00:38:25.322 --> 00:38:26.967
He looked up, he recognized me.

00:38:26.967 --> 00:38:31.690
I knew he recognized me and I whispered in his ear you lose.

00:38:31.690 --> 00:38:57.076
And I walked out hardest thing I've ever done was that.

00:38:57.076 --> 00:38:57.356
But I had him.

00:38:57.356 --> 00:38:57.798
I had to let him know.

00:38:57.798 --> 00:39:06.840
I won, he lost and then I don't know my.

00:39:06.840 --> 00:39:07.461
I know we had our son.

00:39:07.461 --> 00:39:08.523
We adopted our son.

00:39:08.523 --> 00:39:12.829
Um, we're not, I guess, technically we didn't adopt him, we just became his guardians.

00:39:12.829 --> 00:39:16.574
Um and uh, my real father had passed away.

00:39:16.954 --> 00:39:18.416
I did go to the.

00:39:18.416 --> 00:39:22.469
They didn't have a service, they only had like call on hours or something.

00:39:22.469 --> 00:39:24.920
I went to them have a service.

00:39:24.920 --> 00:39:25.885
They only had like call-in hours or something.

00:39:25.885 --> 00:39:26.226
I went to them.

00:39:26.226 --> 00:39:29.036
But I went to them for one reason I didn't want to see him, I just wanted first.

00:39:29.036 --> 00:39:30.481
I wanted, well, actually two reasons.

00:39:30.481 --> 00:39:45.701
I wanted to know it was real that he's really gone and I wanted to meet some of the family I'd never met, because I'd never met hardly any of his family outside of those six kids he brought up and the one, the two I went to school with.

00:39:45.701 --> 00:39:50.731
So I went up and I met them and I keep in touch with some of them.

00:39:51.432 --> 00:39:58.340
Um, I haven't heard from my one sister in a while, but she had gotten, she was divorced and she had gotten remarried.

00:39:58.340 --> 00:40:08.786
Afterwards I went to her wedding and then then I think something happened where the marriage didn't work and she did, and she's done it before Apparently.

00:40:08.786 --> 00:40:14.023
She was abused by my father when she was young and when she turned 16, she ran away.

00:40:14.023 --> 00:40:18.262
Well, that's what she's done again and we haven't heard from her in a couple of years.

00:40:18.262 --> 00:40:19.666
So she ran away.

00:40:19.666 --> 00:40:25.260
But this time she ran away because the guy she married was friends with all of the family.

00:40:25.260 --> 00:40:36.786
So she just she ran away again and after telling my story on our podcast, it helped a little when I told it in the group chat.

00:40:37.126 --> 00:40:52.994
But then, when I told it on the podcast, I started noticing these feelings I hadn't felt come out.

00:40:52.994 --> 00:41:01.789
I'm getting choked up thinking about them coming out now and I don't get choked up.

00:41:01.789 --> 00:41:18.550
My grandfather, who I respect more than anybody that's ever walked the planet, for what he's done, what he did for me, what he did for his wife and six kids when he passed I shed no tears because I wasn't at that point yet.

00:41:18.550 --> 00:41:27.405
Now I am and these feelings are starting to come out more, and a couple of my close friends have noticed it.

00:41:27.405 --> 00:41:37.695
I mean Becky told me she said the hugs are different, there's more feeling in them and I was like there was nothing before Before it was.

00:41:37.695 --> 00:41:39.961
Yes, it's great to see you old, you, old, friend.

00:41:39.961 --> 00:41:42.467
You know I haven't seen you, you know, but it was just.

00:41:42.467 --> 00:41:44.434
It could have been anybody.

00:41:44.434 --> 00:41:59.050
Now they're starting to come out, so I think telling this story helped bring me back, I guess, because I was.

00:41:59.050 --> 00:42:10.644
Most of me before was fake, because that was my defense mechanism, and that pretty much brings us up to now.

00:42:13.715 --> 00:42:25.748
I'm so proud of you and I'm so honored that you came on to share that, and I don't cry usually during these, but this is incredible.

00:42:25.748 --> 00:42:39.510
You're so strong and I totally get putting on like that armor and just not allowing that.

00:42:39.510 --> 00:43:00.016
I mean that makes sense, especially after what was said to you, but I think it's absolutely incredible how much and how powerful it is to just get that out of your system and talk about it, and not only do you help yourself, you help other people at the same time, Right, Originally.

00:43:00.056 --> 00:43:12.864
That was why I I told my story I mean, probably fifth, uh, maybe 15 years ago, was the first time I had told anyone any part of my story.

00:43:12.864 --> 00:43:14.469
And that was just my family, my wife.

00:43:14.469 --> 00:43:18.036
And that was just my family, my wife, my kids and them, and that was it.

00:43:18.036 --> 00:43:26.949
And then, and the reason I did that is because one of the children was sexually abused by his father.

00:43:26.949 --> 00:43:32.648
We had custody of him for a little while but he needed more help than we could, we could provide.

00:43:32.648 --> 00:43:39.889
And at the time, you know some abusers, they hide their feelings, like I did.

00:43:40.876 --> 00:43:50.851
Some abusers, especially sexual, they're male, they become womanizers and some are violent.

00:43:50.851 --> 00:43:53.463
And he was that.

00:43:53.463 --> 00:43:57.260
He was violent at times, that he was violent at times.

00:43:57.260 --> 00:44:11.398
And even though my youngest daughter was two years older than him, once a man, once a boy, goes through starts, going through puberty.

00:44:11.398 --> 00:44:12.840
They become stronger than most girls when they go through puberty.

00:44:12.840 --> 00:44:13.842
I mean that's a natural occurrence.

00:44:13.842 --> 00:44:16.668
So he was still able at the.

00:44:16.894 --> 00:44:19.724
At some point he was able to overpower her.

00:44:19.724 --> 00:44:34.456
I mean my daughter literally had to pull him off of pull him off of her one time when I just wasn't in the room, or actually they were outside on the trampoline and I think I was mowing the lawn or weed, eating or something.

00:44:34.456 --> 00:44:49.403
But that's why I told them, because he was the boy was gone now he was in a home and and I decided, you know, I'm going to, I'm going to tell, because they, you know, they naturally think that everybody is going to be that way.

00:44:49.403 --> 00:45:07.543
That was abused that way and I was like no, I was like I, literally I want to say I've probably spanked my kids, including the boy that was violent at times, probably four times ever, and that's all of them combined.

00:45:09.454 --> 00:45:18.090
I, and it was at the time probably needed, but it wasn't excessive.

00:45:18.090 --> 00:45:21.324
I mean, it was literally, it was like one spank and that was it.

00:45:21.324 --> 00:45:30.728
So if I learned anything from my three fathers was I'm not going to become them.

00:45:30.728 --> 00:45:48.065
And, like I said, once I first really told my story on the air is when I started noticing this change, and it's been a long time.

00:45:48.065 --> 00:45:52.505
I want to say I know we were in the farmhouse.

00:45:52.505 --> 00:46:10.536
I want to say I was probably 14 when he said that to me, so I turned 54 in June and to say that within the last six months is when it started happening, was when I told it might've been even less than that.

00:46:10.536 --> 00:46:23.539
So for pretty close to 40 years these feelings were hidden, were gone, and they're starting to come back and it's a good thing.

00:46:23.539 --> 00:46:27.387
But me getting used to them is the hardest thing.

00:46:27.715 --> 00:46:29.601
I was going to say how does it make you feel?

00:46:29.601 --> 00:46:30.344
Is it weird?

00:46:31.094 --> 00:46:33.123
Yeah, I don't remember these feelings.

00:46:33.123 --> 00:46:37.126
So when they come out, I don't know how to deal with them all the time.

00:46:37.126 --> 00:46:41.275
So when they, when they come out, I don't know how to deal with them all the time.

00:46:41.275 --> 00:46:43.797
That that's my.

00:46:43.797 --> 00:46:44.222
I think that's my.

00:46:44.222 --> 00:46:45.934
Hardest thing is dealing with these new feelings that they're just new to me.

00:46:45.934 --> 00:46:47.820
I mean, you know they weren't.

00:46:47.820 --> 00:46:50.940
They're not new to people, they're just to me they're.

00:46:50.940 --> 00:46:55.543
They're brand new, cause I've been without them more than I've been with them.

00:46:55.643 --> 00:47:01.445
So yeah, but that's going to feel so good, though, because I think like the happy feelings are going to feel even happier.

00:47:01.445 --> 00:47:04.161
Like it's just going to be more intense.

00:47:04.594 --> 00:47:07.418
Yeah, absolutely, I've already.

00:47:07.418 --> 00:47:23.800
Like I said, I've already seen it, I've already noticed it and I see things you know differently and it's like, ok, you know, it just took me a long time to to tell Um, cause I had told them.

00:47:23.800 --> 00:47:33.686
Oh, I don't remember, when I told them in the group chat it was probably early Springs, probably almost a year now last year, and then it was months.

00:47:33.686 --> 00:47:36.039
And then I just decided I'm like you know what Cause?

00:47:36.039 --> 00:47:36.320
Know what?

00:47:36.320 --> 00:47:38.445
Because we did, I think.

00:47:38.565 --> 00:47:44.463
Well, we did a couple shows about certain you know, about serious things, you know.

00:47:44.463 --> 00:47:46.989
And then we had this other.

00:47:46.989 --> 00:48:16.489
We had this woman, deb Maxwell, on our show and she talked about suicide and at some point during that episode I actually lost track of what they were talking about because my mind took over and I said you know, she's telling her story about what happened with her son and I don't want to say it wrong because she says it a certain way.

00:48:16.489 --> 00:48:18.958
And I don't want to say it wrong because she says it a certain way.

00:48:18.958 --> 00:48:25.429
I don't think she says commit suicide, I think, because commit means Right, is it like completed?

00:48:25.889 --> 00:48:26.329
suicide.

00:48:27.954 --> 00:48:29.976
Yeah, it might be completed.

00:48:29.976 --> 00:48:46.889
And so when at some point I lost track of things, I'm like if she can tell this story and it helped people I mean she has her own podcast and things that she does I was like maybe my story will.

00:48:46.889 --> 00:48:51.411
And, like I said, the end result I never expected in myself.

00:48:51.411 --> 00:48:56.240
That just is a bonus.

00:48:56.240 --> 00:49:02.735
I guess that's a good bonus Coming out of it, yeah, yeah bonus.

00:49:02.956 --> 00:49:03.559
I guess that's a good bonus.

00:49:03.559 --> 00:49:08.255
Yeah, yeah, I think I think what it does is it's like all this weight that you've been carrying, you get to just let some of that go put some of it down every time.

00:49:08.637 --> 00:49:21.400
Yeah, absolutely, um, yeah and um and I'm not afraid to say this part, I doubt she'll watch anyway, but um, I tried.

00:49:21.400 --> 00:49:24.639
Yes, in a way Did I blame my mother in?

00:49:24.639 --> 00:49:38.721
In ways, absolutely Um, because I she wasn't ever single very long and it to me it was like she just the first guy that comes along, that that looks her way.

00:49:38.721 --> 00:49:49.974
And she didn't see any of it or she didn't think that, like she saw my foster father hit me and she had to have known that was excessive.

00:49:49.974 --> 00:49:57.088
I mean, it was so excessive that when I was out of the picture and he turned to her she kicked him out.

00:49:57.088 --> 00:50:00.545
So why wasn't it severe when it wasn't to her, when it was to someone else?

00:50:00.545 --> 00:50:07.186
And, oh, I tried.

00:50:10.579 --> 00:50:24.501
My sister, my half-sister, born to my mother, the one when I was 11, she kind of she's obviously the favorite and my mother doesn't.

00:50:24.501 --> 00:50:26.844
I've lived in the current house I live in.

00:50:26.844 --> 00:50:28.869
We've been here almost 19 years.

00:50:28.869 --> 00:50:30.396
My mother has been due at once.

00:50:30.396 --> 00:50:43.666
I've lived in well, we've lived in three places since we've been married and this June will be 30 years.

00:50:43.666 --> 00:50:46.300
And, yeah, and she hasn't been.

00:50:46.300 --> 00:51:10.063
Like I said, she's been to this house once and my mother-in-law ran into her, oh, probably five years ago, maybe a little more, and they were talking and my mother asked, you know, asked her how we were doing, how was everything, and, and she's, and then, and you know, she told her well, you know, they're doing fine and this and that.

00:51:10.063 --> 00:51:19.164
And my mother said to my mother-in-law I would love to see him more often, but I don't want to make my daughter mad.

00:51:21.869 --> 00:51:22.329
What.

00:51:22.849 --> 00:51:33.378
Yeah, oh, um, I'd received a letter, a handwritten letter, in the mail from my mother and I read it and I was just kind of okay and I put it.

00:51:33.378 --> 00:51:39.268
We had at the time we had, um, like a reclining love seat, but it wasn't side by side.

00:51:39.268 --> 00:51:42.523
In the middle there was like a center console where you can put.

00:51:42.523 --> 00:51:44.668
I tossed it in the center console.

00:51:44.914 --> 00:51:55.179
Well, we were getting rid of that and I was cleaning it out and I came across this letter and I was like, okay, I was like, all right, so I texted her and I said I think you need to know something.

00:51:55.179 --> 00:51:57.960
And I said I think you need to know something.

00:51:57.960 --> 00:52:06.990
I said I can't do it now, but I was like, and we set a day and I was like I don't think I can talk to you on the phone, I think it should be in text.

00:52:06.990 --> 00:52:14.054
She said, okay, I was like, but I need to make sure you're free and have nothing else going on.

00:52:14.054 --> 00:52:24.380
I told her the story and my point of view and kind of the reaction I got was oh, I didn't know any of that.

00:52:24.380 --> 00:52:28.829
That's it Not sorry for you know, not anything.

00:52:29.135 --> 00:53:07.829
So, yeah, me and my mom, just we were close at one point and I tried to stay close, but I guess when I got married and started my own life and didn't need the help, I guess that was how it was, I think, sometimes when you get true people in your lives that have true love and it makes you realize what is not the real stuff or what's more toxic or damaging for you, and it's good that you're in a place where you can recognize that and just move on from it.

00:53:08.496 --> 00:53:09.338
I mean unfortunately.

00:53:09.338 --> 00:53:16.925
You'd love closure from it, but sometimes you just have to walk away, and that's the healthiest thing.

00:53:18.518 --> 00:53:20.934
Yeah, and that's pretty much what I've done.

00:53:20.934 --> 00:53:25.385
I don't see any of my family.

00:53:25.385 --> 00:53:32.467
Very often the ones I was the closest to they have both passed, both my grandparents.

00:53:32.467 --> 00:53:40.802
So I should tell you I see my grandfather more than I see the rest of my family, and I already told you that he passed away.

00:53:40.802 --> 00:53:45.114
He is the reason I chose Army over one of the other armed forces.

00:53:45.114 --> 00:53:47.501
I go to his grave almost.

00:53:47.501 --> 00:53:48.626
I didn't last year.

00:53:48.626 --> 00:54:05.280
My daughter had to go to urgent care last year on Veterans Day, but it used to be a tradition I would go to his grave site at Veterans Day and I just I didn't do it.

00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:10.043
Last year my daughter had to go to urgent care, so I took her to urgent care.

00:54:10.637 --> 00:54:11.753
Yeah, you have to do that.

00:54:11.835 --> 00:54:19.702
Okay, you know I mean, but I used to do it every year and I'll probably do it again this year, and it's just something I do.

00:54:19.702 --> 00:54:22.784
So I see my grandfather more than I see the rest.

00:54:22.784 --> 00:54:25.644
I see my grandmother too, because they share a grave.

00:54:25.644 --> 00:54:28.103
They were both cremated and put in the same grave.

00:54:28.103 --> 00:54:41.271
My grandmother passed first and she actually was in her urn for about three years before they put them in the ground together.

00:54:44.155 --> 00:54:46.943
Well, you also have a pretty good group of friends.

00:54:46.943 --> 00:54:51.476
Yes, From my point of view it looks pretty tight like a family.

00:54:51.797 --> 00:54:55.780
Yeah, I had.

00:54:55.780 --> 00:55:03.867
I had known, like everyone in the group chat that I was added to a little over a year ago.

00:55:03.867 --> 00:55:06.268
I knew most of them.

00:55:06.268 --> 00:55:19.782
There was, I think, literally think there was one I didn't know, but she's a friend of, of one of the people in in the group chat.

00:55:19.782 --> 00:55:21.646
But I've gotten to know her a little bit, not a lot.

00:55:21.646 --> 00:55:28.081
I haven't spoken to her in a while, but we, you know, but, um, but, yeah, um, a lot of these I, I, I don't want to say they were all friends.

00:55:28.081 --> 00:55:36.157
Um, definitely, Jeff was for a while in school, Um, not a close friend, but just a friend.

00:55:36.297 --> 00:55:41.902
I mean, I would have considered him a friend, Um, Eric and me when I was a little younger.

00:55:41.902 --> 00:55:52.108
Um, we were friends, and um and me and Becky we became friends in late in my high school career.

00:55:52.108 --> 00:55:55.371
I'm a couple of years older than her Um, she hung out.

00:55:55.371 --> 00:55:58.614
She was part of my group that I hung out with after school.

00:55:58.614 --> 00:56:05.666
Then we kind of I don't want to say drifted apart, but we didn't see each other for a while.

00:56:05.686 --> 00:56:28.235
I went off to the army, she had to finish school and when I came home and me and my wife got together, she came back into my life and would hang out at our apartment almost every night and then we kind of she got married and we kind of drifted a little bit again.

00:56:28.235 --> 00:56:37.342
And then about a year, a little over a year ago, we got back and I don't know, I don't know what I could, what I would do without him at this point.

00:56:37.342 --> 00:56:37.623
Any of them?

00:56:37.623 --> 00:56:38.266
Yeah, yeah, I don't know.

00:56:38.266 --> 00:56:39.512
I don't know what I would do without them at this point.

00:56:39.512 --> 00:56:39.893
Any of them?

00:56:39.893 --> 00:56:42.780
Yeah, yeah, I don't know what I would do without them now.

00:56:42.882 --> 00:56:43.583
They're a good group.

00:56:43.864 --> 00:56:48.422
Yeah, yeah, and they helped me obviously.

00:56:48.422 --> 00:56:54.148
I mean, that's why my story came out and why I'm healing.

00:56:55.318 --> 00:57:02.887
Yeah, yeah, and you have to be around the right people to be able to talk about something that's so vulnerable.

00:57:03.628 --> 00:57:04.550
Right, right.

00:57:04.974 --> 00:57:14.668
But, george, I'm so happy for you and honestly I'm so grateful and honored that you came and decided to share your story with me too.

00:57:15.009 --> 00:57:20.885
Thank you, and I'm glad that you were going to invite me.

00:57:20.885 --> 00:57:23.981
I mean, eric kind of jumped the gun for you.

00:57:24.061 --> 00:57:25.385
He did, he took the glory.

00:57:27.516 --> 00:57:38.884
But I'm glad that you invited me and I was able to tell my story again and heal a little more and hopefully I can help somebody else heal now.

00:57:39.304 --> 00:57:39.827
I think so.

00:57:39.827 --> 00:57:42.523
I think for sure this will definitely help.

00:57:42.523 --> 00:57:44.699
I also wanted to say thank you for your service.

00:57:44.699 --> 00:57:46.164
You're welcome.

00:57:46.585 --> 00:57:48.818
Yeah, thank you, I always say.

00:57:48.818 --> 00:57:51.947
When somebody says that to me, I always say thank you.

00:57:51.947 --> 00:58:01.157
The reason I say thank you is because if my service wasn't needed because of you, because of all of you, it wouldn't have meant anything.

00:58:01.518 --> 00:58:03.402
So I like how you look at it that way.

00:58:03.563 --> 00:58:03.844
Yeah.

00:58:04.985 --> 00:58:05.507
That's nice.

00:58:05.768 --> 00:58:10.925
Yeah, I think that's the closest thing to feelings I've had over the last year, was that?

00:58:12.407 --> 00:58:15.858
Yeah, yeah, but amazing, what amazing progress in just a year.

00:58:16.179 --> 00:58:18.202
Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah yeah.

00:58:18.262 --> 00:58:19.003
I'm happy for you.

00:58:19.003 --> 00:58:20.085
Thank you again.

00:58:20.085 --> 00:58:22.750
Is there anything else you'd like to say before?

00:58:22.750 --> 00:58:38.612
No, no, I will be back next week with another episode.

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Until then, stay strong and wherever you are in your journey, always remember you are not alone.

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